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Rachel Eyre Interview on The Mindful Soul Center Podcast - Part I of 2
Rachel of The Healthy Womb is a women's health expert. She’s also known as the Period Whisperer. In this interview, she shares a depth of information that was so vast the interview was broken into 2 parts. In part one, we cover PMS, PCOS, infertility, postpartum depression, what's 'normal' for a woman, estrogen dominance, hormone balancing, the fourth trimester of pregnancy, and so much more.
In part two we speak about charting from the basics to more involved charting and how knowing your body can change your life. Rachel is clearly passionate about her work. There is so much information for both men and women. Women, you can get to know your body better and men, you can gain some insights into women’s cycles and both partners fertility.
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The period whisperer - Rachel Dutton (Eyre) and womb health Part One
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00:09 Welcome to the mindful soul center podcast. My name is Amy Adams. I'm your host and the broadcaster of this podcast. In this episode of the mindful soul center podcast, I interview Rachel Eyre. She is a wellness experts, a woman expert, a women's health expert, and her knowledge is so extensive. She answered so many questions that this interview has been broken into two episodes. In part one we discuss Estrogen dominance, resetting hormonal patterns, emotions, cravings, postpartum depression and much more. The second part digs deep into charting and how it can empower you and really how you can use this information to change your life. So before we get started, I just want to ask you to please check our website, the mindful soul center.com where you can read our magazine a new bi-monthly. It's loaded with information, we have some regular features and we will be supplementing our podcast episodes with some focused articles as well. So I hope you'll check that out and
01:31 let's get started. Rachel, who is also known as the period whisperer. Hi Rachel, welcome to the podcast.
01:43 Hi, thank you. Thank you for having me here.
01:46 And she focuses on women's health and she is a menstrual health expert. Let's just get down to it. The whole thing about periods, we love them and we hate them. I asked Rachel why women come to her in general, is it pain, infertility or something else?
02:13 It's all of that. So a lot of people come to me because they've got period pain or bad PMs or maybe they're trying to conceive and it's not working. Some of them will know they've got a diagnosis of something, but when I have a treatment path that going down just isn't working for them. It doesn't feel right. It's not having any expected effects. Others have been put on the pill and they feel it's not working well for them and their bodies.
02:41 Other people are like, I know there's something wrong. I know this is something really important. Period pain and PMs is not normal. It's the symptom. So they know that which is wonderful, but they just don't know how to go about it. Well, what could be the possible root causes and what they could do to make that better? And then other people will come to me because they've been trying to conceive for a long time. They've gone through a battery of tests but nothing necessarily has come up or things have come up, but they've only been given a few treatment options and they don't realize that there's this whole other world of things such as nutrition and abdominal massage and all these other yummy things that can really, really help. I guess in families genetically we probably have some of the same kind of experiences as our moms do.
03:34 So like for me, I thought that PMs was normal. I thought that pain was normal. Society makes jokes about women being ratty at a certain time of month and people like the current president, I'm saying to a journalist, Oh you must go on your period because she said something he doesn't like. It's become part of our normal way of treating periods and that's the really frustrating thing because that kind of normalizes something that could be fixed. Actually. We'll wait a little bit of effort, but it's not, you know, something that's really difficult to fix. It's completely achievable for most people. Is it like the level of hormones that cause that is that depression cause yeah, so that all period problems have the same sort of root causes. And the wonderful thing about hormonal imbalances is that there's actually a sort of set pattern in which to reset things and it resets all the hormones cause they all interact with one another.
04:37 One of the main causes of PMS is something called Estrogen dominance. Some people say low progesterone. It's kind of a bit of a weird one. So what happens is afer we ovulate, we produce progesterone and that's kind of like the calming, soothing hormone, but it also ramps up thyroid activity and heats up our body a little bit because theoretically we could be pregnant and it's trying to make a warm nest for the eggs nestleing in the lining until a placenta grows. But there's all these other wonderful things that progesterone does for us. So not just the thyroid, it helps, um, with bone density. It helps with heart health, it helps with breast health. It does a number of other things. And we designed that way for progesterone to help us, at that point in our cycle, but we do also get this estrogen and when we're estrogen dominant.
05:31 What happens is our estrogen is too high in comparison to the level of progesterone, but that could be that you're, progesterone is too low and your estrogen could also be too low, but it's still too high in this ratio. Or progesterone could be normal and estrogen is too high or both could be too high according to that test that the estrogen is still too high ratio wise. And some people will say that's like progesterone, but we usually call it estrogen dominance and that's probably the most common cause of PMS. But it's also a factor for heavy periods, painful periods, endromitriosis, painful breasts, a whole slew of things as well. So, but that is one of the biggest underlying causes. And the other thing with PMS as well, bear in mind is it's not always, it could be that you have a gripe that is a perfectly realistic gripe.
06:37 For example, you shouldn't be picking up your partners socks or laundry or whatever or be expected to do everything after them. And it really bugs you but that's the time of month that it come kind of comes out and explains and sometimes happens. So I do say to people, is it, is it really PMS or do you have something legitimate? I mean obviously if you feel like you want a divorce for two days a month and you find that that's been a mess, but you know, if you don't normally have it but you're really finding that you're getting a bit angry about something. Do you listen to that anger?
07:16 Uh huh. My former partner, actually, he would say to me that he always knew when I was just about to have my period because I was more agitated I guess. And I guess it was a little more obvious so he was used to it. After years and years and years. I actually have like a kind of weird, maybe, maybe it's not a weird question, but every month I would crave salt and sweet on like the first day of my cycle. And I, and I know that I am not the only person that's had that experience at least. So I was just wondering, is there a reason for that? Is that something common? Maybe it's not common.
08:00 Yeah, it's so different. There are lots of different reasons for cravings. So one, it can be as hormones shift, we start metabolizing different nutrients that can be like a, a nutrient deficiency. So it could be that. And that's a very common one. Another cause for cravings is unmet emotional needs, um, other causes for cravings are the changes going on with the bacteria? In our gut, most people call it the microbiome, but we call it microbiota. Especially if your changing what you eat and is actually really interesting. Like that's so much we don't know about what goes on in that, but there's actually a part with microbiome called the estrobolome that actually supplies estrogen. Um, and we know things such as say for example, you've been eating lots of ice cream and sugary stuff. You start feeding and therefore populating your gut, um, with more bacteria that eats that. But when you cut that out and you try and eat more healthier stuff, those bacteria will literally send out hunger signals to your brain because they don't want it to die out. So they are going to kick off this craving for something sweet again. So there's a whole number of different reasons for cravings. Um, some specific deficiencies and yeah, they can happen throughout your cycle, but the actual root cause of cravings, it's different from person to person.
09:33 Right. But that totally makes sense though. When you said that, you know, that there is that link in that there is something happening in your gut with the estrogen. That's really fascinating to me because it was just, and this is another kind of weird thing and maybe I'm being like weird and personal on my podcast or whatever. I had this theory and it was so, you know, when I was younger I was thinner and um, I mean not that I'm very heavy now, but I don't, I used to have this day that it was like I could eat everything that I wanted on the first day of my period and I had like no guilt. I never gained weight. I mean I could really, and I was hungry, I was really hungry. Is that also something that's common? Is it or people hungrier? Uh, oftentimes
10:22 It's varied, but it is interesting, um, how we metabolize different phase throughout our cycle. Um, so the first half of our cycle, which we do when we chart, we usually start with day one being first day of our period. And that's actually when our hormones are at our lowest. But our brain is starting to ramp up to the next ovulation. But when, um, we start developing follicles in that part of the cycle, um, we produce more estrogren, and estrogren helps us burn fat. So in that first half of our cycle, um, if there's only glucose available, we will metabolize that first. But after that's used up we start burning fat reserves and the other part of the cycle is progesterone based and once we've burned up glucose we start burning through protein instead not muscles on protein. So if you didn't have enough adequate protein, we can start burning through muscles. So it is really interesting how our hormones affects what we eat and yeah, they, the hunger can, can vary from person to person. You are at a point where your hormones are at your lowest so you're probably at your most tired. Um, and some people will find that drives them to eat cause they want to push up there blood sugar levels. Other people, it is genuinely, they just need a of a Oop bit
11:54 of oomph at that time and they want to feel and sort of nurtured and more cared for. And they do that through eating. But I have had more people, I'm getting hungry around ovulation. It seems to change from person to person. Ah, that's so fascinating actually. I mean I never really, I have to tell you the truth. I probably, of course, you know, when you're young you learn about, uh, menstruation and school and your parents hopefully will speak to you about it, hopefully. And my mom was a nurse, so, and a health teacher, so that was pretty positive, but we didn't have like in depth discussions about hormones or anything. So it's just fascinating to me actually to learn much that we were not taught at school. And I think it's such a shame because there are so many women that don't know about their bodies. Yeah. And I considered myself lucky because I don't know if you know about this book and it's, it was pretty, um, my, I had an older sister and she had, I dunno about you, but like, you know, I would, my older sister had a book, so of course I wanted to learn, uh, you know, whatever I could. And it was called our bodies ourselves. And it was a really great book because it actually talked about a lot more stuff than just the little pamphlet that you get that teaches about menstruation.
13:17 I mean, it was definitely like more expansive. And I think through the years it, you know, expanded even more. And now I think it's a pretty fat book. But, um, there's also another doctor, Christiane Northrup -
13:29 Northrup Yes - Women's Bodies, Women's Wisdom,
13:30 Yes.
13:30 I recommend that book to everyone. I think it should be compulsory reading for anyone who's going through periods, everything from her, um, MD gynecologist perspective, right through to the psychospiritual shamanic perspective. So whatever way, whatever lens you want to look at your body from she covers it
13:52 Rachel recommends dr Christiane Northrup's book, women's bodies, women's wisdom. And I mentioned our bodies, our selves written by several different authors. Links will be in the show notes. Now let's get back to the interview.
14:14 I don't really know about many people that had their period after me. Like most of my peers had it already when they were younger than me. I was a little bit late. Um, and so I'm wondering, is there like kind of like an extreme time where somebody could have it very too young or, or maybe too old, not too old, but much older than other people? Um, so there is something called precocious puberty which is girl starting their periods really young and it can happen like around four or five, even up through the age of nine, used to be within that bracket, but now that seems to be more and more young girls starting quite early. And I started at the age of nine. I was very tall for my age so I was mistaken for 13 or 14 by 13 and 14 year old boys. Unfortunately I didn't understand why they were following me.
15:08 Right. Yeah, that's kind of traumatizing when you're nine.
15:13 It was especially when they were jumping on me in the swimming pool. I couldn't figure that one out. So yeah, that can happen. Especially if your body is physically more mature or has grown faster than you know your peers in your same age group. And there are several different theories at the moment because it seems to be more and more common that the age which menstruation starts is reducing. Um, some people are saying it's because we're a bit fatter and once you get puppy fat you stop producing hormones cause fat is estrogenic. Other people are saying it's due to the pill being and water, although there's, there is some dispute as to whether the amount, Oh, that is in our water supplies enough to have an effect on our bodies.
16:05 There's, other - such as various different plastics that we come into contact with that have an estrogenic effect on our bodies. So all these different things could be feeding in. And then there, um, I've heard some people talk about what young women are being forced to grow up very quickly. Like maybe their fathers died or their parents have divorced and that's kind of triggered their body's like, yes, I have to grow up and become more mature, so I'm gonna push myself through puberty. Um, so there's all these different theories as to what's happening. And I think it probably is different from person to person, right. But most girls do seem to still start within the sort of 11 to 15 age group. And then if you're sort of hitting 16 or 17 and we're not cutting any signs of that happening, um, it is worth seeing your doctor, and it's also worth, you know, just seeing is other stuff happening as well, are you getting breasts developing or is it complete? Completely static. Yeah.
17:07 It's interesting though because when you, when you explain this now I kind of understand too because I did have a growth spurt from one year to, uh, when I was in like the 13 years old to 14 years old. I grew a lot like very quickly in one year and then I got my period. So.
17:29 I hear that a lot.
17:30 And actually, you know, it's really fast. I just love this conversation because um, I mean even like some of the other girls that I knew to like actually one of them, she developed very young, probably one of the first out of our class and her father wasn't around. He was, uh, so that's just, I mean, that may not be why, but it's still fascinating because there's like all these different things that we don't even think about regularly. So, wow. I'm like, I'm floored by all of this stuff I think.
18:04 I know so much affects us in so many ways and we don't really think about it. It's incredible.
18:09 Yeah. I mean there's just so many things in school that I think we really need to add in. I mean, about our bodies and I don't know, I'm just so amazed by this, but not even just our bodies. Even just some like simple stuff that we need to know about how to live our lives. I don't think it's really taught in schools.
18:23 financial literacy. Understand that.
18:31 It's true.
18:33 I commented to Rachel that I thought it was interesting that many girls are starting puberty, uh, very early and at the same time, many women choose to have families and babies later in life. Now here's what she said.
18:53 Usually both partners go to work. So it costs more to buy a house and to settle and to become established in a job. Um, I know that was a study on my generation versus previous generation. It'll take the average person my age and extra 19 years to save up the first deposit compared to that parents.
19:13 Wow. Wow.
19:14 So I don't think it's kind of that surprising that people are delaying starting families and things and also a lot of people are being a lot more sort of mindful and choosing when to start a, especially with the availability of IVF and other fertility technologies as well.
19:34 Now, I don't know if this is true or not, so just tell me if it's not so, but I also had, uh, heard and I kind of think that it might be true that the fertility, um, levels are like going down decreasing. So yes. Um, I don't know the statistics of how they've changed. I know the world's health organization, it was one in five or one in six couples have fertility issues. Um, and that's really important to remember. It's couples because fertility issues are 30% female, 30% male, 30% combined, it's not just the woman who is infertile.
20:17 And the same with miscarriages as well. A lot of the causes of miscarriages could be a sperm problem or a combined issue, but everyone is, seems the, if she could get pregnant it must be the women who has an issue if she miscarried.
20:30 Yeah, that's interesting to look at it that way. Cause I was actually kind of just thinking like 50, 50, you know, like the guy or the girl - one third and one third and one third -that's really an interesting perspective. I think men probably are probably not as aware of that as women are
20:47 No and a lot of them do take it really personally if it is there initially an issue that they're having. Um, and then a lot of them do say to me, I feel quite demasculated that, I'm not providing what I need to for my partner. Um, and I think those are the more open men. There are obviously a lot of men who do not want it to be a problem with them because they feel it's, you know, their masculinity being affected.
21:15 Yeah, that's a shame actually, that it's, it's so personal to someone. I did have, uh, no, quite a few people who actually were adopting children from other countries or adopting within their own country, even if, because they couldn't have children on their own. A lot of women and me included, um, I chose not to have children. This idea of not having children and there was so much pressure from the outside, uh, forces including a mother-in-law and other relatives and things to, to, to kind of conform to have this. But do you think that by not having children that, um, that can effect your cycle?
22:03 There are changes that happen in your body from having children. So equally, if you don't have them, those changes don't occur. So, um, first of all, when you do have children, you're using up a lot of nutrients within your body and you do end up depleted afterwards if you're not, eating the right things to nourish yourself. Um, which is why, you know, people at the world health organization recommend spacing children so that the womb and the soft tissues have time to recover. But also, you know, you, you have time to recover all the nutrients that you lost, et cetera. Well, other really interesting things that happen as well are things such as, um, I'm guessing you know what your cervix is. Yes. Within the cervix, there are lots of little crypts that um, produce cervical fluids, which a lot of women call discharge, and you should have discharge at certain times of the month.
23:06 That drives me bonkers and people say, Oh no, I didn't have any discharge. It's disgusting. It's like, no, it's essential for fertility and number of things too. But also have who crypts regenerate. So we're actually slightly more fertile in terms of what's going on with us. Cervical fluid and also our hormones will change. So if you are predisposed to thyroid issues, so you, you might have been told you for borderline thyroid or other kinds of issues which are more auto-immune, they may trigger during pregnancy or during postpartum and you will, thyroid affects your menstrual cycle. The menstrual cycle affects your thyroid. So estrogen in the first half the cycle suppresses thyroid progesterone nourishes. But equally, if your thyroid is underactive, it's not going to be those little subtle little cycle feedback cycle with progesterone and thyroid. So that second half of your cycle you're going to get more estrogen dominance.
24:06 Um, and if you, if you've got one, which I mean issue, you're likely to have more inflammation in your body, which could cause more period pain when you are pregnant or even when you're just in the second half of your cycle. This is obviously what pregnancy is. It's like an extended second phase in a way. Um, we become more insulin resistant and when we become insulin resistant the excess insulin stimulates our ovaries produce testosterone. And this is when we have things like polycystic ovarian syndrome, which can result in really long cycles, heavy periods. Yep. Period pain. Some people say that that period pain is the estrogen dominance and inflammation and not the PCOS itself, but always things tend to happen at the same time. So, um, for some women having children can help with symptoms. I've certainly heard of women with endometriosis saying that it improved after they had children.
25:04 Some people tell me it's made that symptoms much worse. So it does vary. So actually I just wanted to ask about postpartum depression because I've read also that, um, the, we don't, I think it's like the, I'm not sure if it's amino acids or fatty acids or some kind of acids in our brain that we need that they get depleted from carrying a child and that so after you give birth that it's something that doesn't like restore automatically. And that was like one kind of theory of why people have postpartum is that they're lacking nutrients. There's so many theories behind depression and a lot of them do have merit. Um, when we go through the postpartum phase, they need immediate sort of childbirth. And Peter is, after all, who am I levels plummet from being inequality in some cases to all means nothing. But if you think about all of the near eye transmitters, the oral, so hormones such as serotonin, dopamine, et cetera, they're all going to be effected by that sudden shift.
26:14 Um, how they're affected the, there's so many who say the evidence shows this and the evidence shows that. And And they'll argue with one another. Um, also there is one person called Kelly Brogan who talks about, um, depression being inflammatory mediate. So if you've got an autoimmune condition that triggers straight off to giving birth or around that time, that could trigger it as well. Our bio-chemistry changes in so many ways. So, and again, it could also be nutrient deficiencies, meaning we're not making it enough. Um, hormones are made from cholesterol and other fats, so not eating enough could be causing it. There's a number of things that could be involved. Um, there's a number of people that say it's due to lack of community support. So back in the day it literally was a village to raise a child and people would help them through the fourth trimester, which is, you know, the first three months after birth and she would work on recovery cause she's just like changed everything down stairs and has a new one to look after.
27:19 But equally they would help her around the house and do the, the other stuff that she's not doing so she can just rest and recuperate, which we don't do anymore. And, you know, in the most connected societies that've ever been in terms of, you know, these phones and everything, but how many people know the next door neighbor, how many people feel they've got a support network that they can actually ask for help when they need it. How many people, um, still have people that pop around with like, a hot meal when they need it.
27:53 So there's a lot of talk about last as well as all the possible sort of almost scientific explanations as well. Yeah, I think community's really important. There's so many people who have become mobile, like they living in different places that are not living by their parents or I mean even some parents who aren't even able to retire younger, but in the past that, you know, they would be there to support people. I know like a couple that I know that lives near me, the husband's, um, mother moved to the city so that, um, she could help out just even to pick up the child from school or bring him to school, just to spend some time. And that I think is so important to have a community and yeah, you're right. I mean we are so connected right now, but virtually it's, it's not the same.
28:48 You know, you don't have somebody to help out when you need to sleep or something. As sleep deprivation seems to be a very popular problem right after childbirth is actually one of the biggest needle movers on health is getting enough sleep. That's so much that happens when we're asleep. It's incredible. But I've seen sperm count tests improved dramatically just from someone gets enough asleep. Really? No at the lifestyle changes that I'm aware. Wow. So you don't just work with women, you work with couples too, which is I do some, yeah. It's mostly women. Sometimes the guys interested as well sometimes because he wants to support his other half. Sometimes they're both, you know, they're both open to looking at what's going on. So yeah, if the woman is doing, you know, making these changes that I think we're probably about 90% of them, their partners making the same change as well.
29:45 And luckily a lot of the stuff that works with female fertility works for males with fertility as well. So what could be some of the kinds of things that you would change with your diet? Like, so a lot of it, it sounds really, really obvious. Um, but sound eating real food, making sure your eating enough fiber. Plenty of vegetables. How many people eat enough vegetables? They know they should. They just don't. You eat two portions of leafy vegetables each day. Eat plenty of other vegetables. Are you eating, you know, a good variety of fruits and nuts and seeds. Um, and if you're eating seeds, are you soaking them overnight to make them antiinflammatory - they're often inflammatory. Um, are you eating foods that have been processed and therefore it's a more inflammatory profile because it's going slightly more rancid every day. Um, are you getting enough good quality protein?
30:46 And you mentioned about amino acids. Most people are not eating enough collagen and there's loads of people go, I wouldn't eat that its gelatin. That's all the bits boiled up. But actually you need gelatin for soft tissue growth and support for our uterus. So you know, making sure you're eating literally all the different amino acids that go into proteins and making sure you're eating enough healthy fat so that you can make hormones as so many people on high carb, low fat diets. But actually they're not getting enough fat to be able to make an a hormone, getting enough exercise, getting enough sleep and you know, getting rid of excess stress and we seem to got to, I don't know if you've noticed this, so tell me if I've gone up a tree, but I've noticed certainly amongst friends and acquaintances and it's almost like a competition for who's the most stressed or who's the most busy.
31:39 So, so busy. And I was like, yes I am too. And everyone this stuff. And it's almost like a competition for who that is a recurring theme actually that has come up though and like all these different conversations that I've been having with on different topics. The first episode I had a talk with Heidi who is a yoga instructor and she's a health and wellness teacher. She was saying too, I mean the whole point of yoga is kind of like get out of that and like stop being so stressed, take some time and have some perspective on life. Stress sets up a whole load of other chemical reaction. You bloody increases inflammation. The base material needed to make stress hormones. That means you've got less available to make your sex hormones. Yeah. It's that type a personality. Like we got to go, we gotta run, we gotta do it. It's like a kind of false reward maybe or that, um, if you can be that busy and that stress that you're achieving more, but that's not really the
32:40 truth. I mean you're probably achieving less because you're so freaked out all the time. I agreee completely and I've caught myself saying it because I'm sorry I'm really busy cause I've got ... Nope, not helping. Right. We're all busy. I mean I do kind of understand too, like the information overload, everything is going kind of faster and maybe our brains are kind of evolving to try to catch up into that kind of cycle. But there is also, I think this kind of like a ego reward of, you know, I'm achieving a lot because I'm stressed out and I'm doing that and it just seems to be a competition that the key thing is the, so many things that we do doing we can get rid of. So you don't have to be that stressed and like what are you doing to offset that stress? What nurturing practices are you doing to
33:34 offset that You know, it's that that, so it might be, yes you're really busy at work but you have your yoga for like half an hour every night. Or even like deep slow breathing like 10 minutes before you go to bed or using like a meditation app. All of those things can really help offset the impact of stress and yeah, and then with less stress then you're going to have a higher rate, a rate of fertility. Right. So and do you think that less stress too, do you think that a PMs, I mean, I know you said there's tons of theories why? And I think they're all valid it. Yeah. The part of my job is to help work out. I have a quite a few questionnaires. All my clients have to do tests and you can kind of pinpoint which one is likely to be right because each person is unique, right? So they all have, depending on how their kind of their belief systems and how they
34:31 move through the world. Stay tuned for part two. That'll be released in just a few more hours. And I'm so glad that you joined me today and Rachel, she can be found at thehealthywomb.com you can work with her in person, you can find tons of resources on her website and you can take classes with her online. There's so much, and we'll cover more of that again too in part two of the interview. Definitely check that out because it just jam packed with so much information. Thank you for joining me today on the mindful soul centers podcast. And I hope that you'll leave a review, subscribe to the podcast, and uh, find us on Facebook and Instagram @themindfulsoulcenter until next time.
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Amy Adams, author of Gratitude Shmatitude: Don’t just think it, do it!, is the founder of The Mindful Soul Center (formerly Conscious Life Space.) The Mindful Soul Center is a publishing and media company that produces The Mindful Soul Center magazine a bi-monthly magazine with 6 issues per year and The Mindful Soul Center podcast. She hosts The Mindful Soul Center, a talk show distributed as a podcast. The show explores various lifestyle topics. Minisodes are broadcast every other week. On alternating weeks are interviews with a variety of people - practitioners and experts in wellness, meditation, yoga, and more. Guests share their expertise and what they've learned with others so we can hear stories and learn together. Be inspired, get motivated and have a listen!
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